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Friday Morning Seminar - November 4 with Shai Satran - Shared screen with speaker view
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
22:49
Hi everyone!!!!!
Sadeq Rahimi
24:09
Hi Lou, glad you could come in!
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
24:58
Thank youuu
Byron Good
26:36
Hi Lou, welcome! Would love to hear from you about how are feeling at this moment — after how you sounded a couple of weeks ago!
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
30:48
Hi my dear…ok…I am do happy
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
31:23
You can not imagine how is good to live out Bolsonaro
Catherine Riessman
51:52
This is Arlie Hochschild, a “she”
Byron Good
52:48
Thank you, Catherine — want us to interrupt him to say this?
Catherine Riessman
53:34
no, not necessary.
Byron Good
54:33
I will let you make a comment during the discussion. But thanks. ‘Arlie’ is ambiguous.
David Jed Schwartz
01:10:16
what are the biases of the computer/therapist? does (he) believe in the marginal utility theory of value - that low levels of pay, even when they are not sustainable, must be accepted? That low taxes on the wealthy are symptoms of marginal utility and so should be accepted as needed and necessary. Are not such manifestations of empathy phony?
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
01:21:11
Thank you so uch
Michael & Michele Nathan
01:21:15
Fabulous talk! Thank you!!!
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
01:21:15
much
Tricia Robredo
01:21:21
Thank you for this insight!
Alain
01:21:55
Very Interesting topic. Thank you Shai
jike bai
01:22:18
Pretty talking, thank you!
alisonbrookes
01:25:15
fantastic, extremely poignant talk. Relevant to primary care in rushed times, too. So difficult feel personal connection with patients when in the interest of time and documentation we are encouraged to use scripts and templates
Arlene Michele Katz
01:26:07
Protocol driven ‘care’ is ubiquitous, making professionals accountable to insurance companies, reimbursement,,, eclipsing relational engagement.
Arlene Michele Katz
01:26:42
great talk, thanks
David Jed Schwartz
01:29:47
Should, therefore, psychotherapy always have political dimensions?
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
01:29:51
Can you writ?
Amy Moran Thomas
01:33:20
Many thanks for such a fascinating talk, Shai. Sorry to have to run now… hope to cross paths around MIT sometime soon!
Sara Ahmad
01:44:40
Computerized psychotherapy, though may be expensive to implement on a high scale, could be very useful in catering to a huge demand in LMICs, particularly for those suffering from long covid and other diseases, alongside other social factors
Michael M. J. Fischer
01:46:52
great points Mike (Nathan)!
Ida Lunde Jørgensen
01:47:03
Thank you so much for having me. Such a fascinating talk and discussion. Kind regards, Ida
Arlene Michele Katz
01:49:29
again, the larger system and EMR driven encounters make a mockery of ‘care’
daisy hunter-haydon
01:50:09
Wonderful talk, need to head out but thank you so much!
Michael & Michele Nathan
01:52:39
@Arlene: I don't think it's the EMR per se. I think the ways in which the EMR is used, especially the issues with big data and the idea of the productivity index writ large are the issue. The EMR facilitates this in a way that wasn't possible before, but it's the systematic hunger for efficiency that drives the dehuminzation.
Michael & Michele Nathan
01:54:24
@ Shai; Exactly the same drivers here. We don't even take referrals in the mental health section of my clinic, the therapists are too far out. We refer out to the community, and the patients are on their own with that. iCBT is available promptly. Psych9opharm with an MD is far more available.
Michael & Michele Nathan
01:56:18
Shai, with regards to the "low intensity" therapists, I wonder if there are parallels with Vikram Patel's work in India with park bench lay therapists in the community?
Esther’s iPad
01:59:42
I commend you for a Great presentation. I really like the ICBT idea of do it yourself therapy. Thank you so much. Best wishes with your research in this area.😂
alisonbrookes
02:02:34
how is the triage done to determine who gets computerized versus in person therapy?
Michael & Michele Nathan
02:02:59
I'm also a coach for MDs, and we're finding a portion of our clients decide to move to coaching as a pursuit, similar to the progression of "low level" therapists, I think. It's perhaps not surprising that this happens. If we're engaged in an endeavor that we find of value, we are likely drawn to taking on more action in the direction of that value.
Michael & Michele Nathan
02:04:31
Alison, for us it's a structured program, patients who score in the mid range on a screening tool (PHQ9) are eligible, and the primary care docs refer directly.
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
02:07:36
Can you send the names of these books?
Michael M. J. Fischer
02:15:16
Dixon Chibanda in Zimbabwe is doing something similar to Vikram
jaswant guzder
02:15:42
thank you for this stimulating talk on empathy and attunement in a framework of a dyad, we did not speak of the family or system but arlene raised the agenda of our time: politics and realities of our institutions and its shadow on the space you honour : the dyad listening of therapy
Arlene Michele Katz
02:16:22
thanks jaswant…
alisonbrookes
02:17:05
Wonderful presentation and really riveting discussion. There has to be a way to provide care that is needed to ever-increasing numbers of people and this is a fascinating glimpse into what is likely to become the norm. Thankyou so much.
Michael M. J. Fischer
02:18:54
manuals -- that's why folks in computer science tend to talk to each other rather than read manuals
Sadeq Rahimi
02:19:14
I’d say “there are two types of people…”
Claudia Bejarano
02:21:33
Thank you