Friday Morning Seminar - November 5 with Jaswant Guzder and Geoffrey Walcott - Shared screen with speaker view
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
He was my professor
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
In Brazil, we have many Jamaica. We know in Jamaica, the indigenous peoples were exterminated. But here in Brazil, the difference between slavery and indigenous peoples….the peoples carry the slavery trauma have the most significant political movement in Brazil…different than indigenous peoples…
jaswant guzder
charles mills
jaswant guzder
maria : vitor pordeus in brazil is another colleague who collaborates with our team : using theatre with psychosis and the work of nise de silveira
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
Yes …I know his work….
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
Annabelle Slingerland
Did the social engineering on both sides colonisers and colonised, actors and victimised sink in with many a therapist or social worker as well, as teachers, parents, this overall umbrella wonderful view that also empowers both to change? That Jamaica jeopardy jumps off to be the juice in other arena’s including in the western world and many a psychiatric institute as well as elderly (grey growing communities)? What are the ingredients needed in a person to evoke the responsible/ own influence for change response?
Debbie Ann Chambers
For Prof Hickling to see Rastafarianism as a source of wisdom/viable source of knowledge for Jamaican people's was indeed revolutionary as Rastafari were targeted for 'extinction' basically in the 70s. Prof Hickling also immersed himself in the Rastafari culture, wearing locks himself which caused some confusion and consternation for others. He was able to use his own position of power to bring awareness to our indigenous cultures as viable. He himself was targeted for this in psychiatry in Jamaica.
jaswant guzder
well said debbie ann, thank you
Arlene Katz
Debbie Ann, Please talk more about poises, especially how it is co-created, the process is at the intersection of the body, engagement, and shifts
jaswant guzder
we thought they were booble heads..
Have found that it is not enough to support or educate teachers if you don't address big issues associated with principals.
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
The teacher have a lot of trauma...
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
You can read and after we talk after….
Akile Gürsoy
thank you to all speakers for fascinating and brilliantly articulate presentations. I am inspired to ask a number of questions and would now like to say that I would be very interested to hear more about the museaums and issues of presentation that Geoffrey Walcott talked about.
jaswant guzder
some of the teachers began to dissociate and it became evident that many of them were “triggered”by the trauma of their own childhood memories of schooling an and abuse as we included understanding epigenetic in the program for teacher focus group training
Sachin Pendse
Need to dip out for another meeting, but thank you all for the fantastic talks — I look forward to reading Dr. Hickling’s new book.
Debbie Ann Chambers
Such an important issue JHB. What we found in DAW-CT, is that our approach with principals was important. Also that the creative performances allowed shifts in the way principals related to us. Re the teacher trauma, DAW-CT also found this as we engaged in training and circle sessions with the teachers and addressed it through creativity.
David Jed Schwartz
sorry. I have toleave early for another seminar.
David Jed Schwartz
jaswant guzder
teachers had to survive the “ colonial trauma” and they are were also transformed by the process
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
Yes …wit indigenous peoples the teachers are very, very violent with the students even them are indigenous , too.
in the education setting you also need to think through the developmental learning processes, where children are at and where teachers need to meet them. if principals are not on board, it is difficult for teachers to do what many of them are very open to doing.....
Sadeq Rahimi
Aneel has sent in these comments/questions:
Sadeq Rahimi
Thank you for the thought provoking and inspiring presentation. As an implementer I am keenly interested in some of the programmatic aspects of the work and will focus my questions there.1. Regarding scaling up after limited, time-bound funding from GCC: Was there push back from teachers who were to lead the program in scale up to schools? What was learned and adapted from this process? How was the project funded for scale up? Did the government buy in? Also, with the unfortunate and sad passing of Dr. Hickling, has there been any difficulties maintaining progress?
Sadeq Rahimi
2. I’m very interested in the process of creating (poesis) historiography. In line with Prof. Jenkins’ comment, I see huge potential for this elsewhere, including where I work on India and Pakistan, but the process and the employment and the identities may be different and complex. Have there been examples of this work in South Asia or in other postcolonial societies? How do you see this working in a place like rural India?3. On the encoding of trauma and slavery in epigenetics and the biomedical mechanisms of intergenerational trauma — has there been, or are there plans to assess epigenetic outcomes? I am thinking of this with a project I’m developing now and would like to discuss offline if possible!

Thanks you!!
Annabelle Slingerland
Fabulous more often than not the patient is the indicator of the social environment and where the real problem is, mental wellness. Thanks to all!!!
jaswant guzder
fred wrote a paper : taking psychiatry to school of interest
Janis Jenkins
Inspirational, Dr Walcott! And very good to ‘see
Janis Jenkins
Virginia Moreira
Thank you all for these wonderful presentations!
Annabelle Slingerland
Thanks Mary!
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
Thank you so much
jaswant guzder
thank you for attending and responding
Annabelle Slingerland
Have to leave but onto watering those seeds!
Andrea Chiovenda
bye everybody, great session as usual, see you next week
Virginia Moreira
I am so sorry I had to leave! Thank you again!
Byron Good
Thank you, Virginia
Mary Jo DelVecchio Good
Thank you Jaswand Hillary and Debbie for intense superb discussion and thanks o Geoffrey as well for fascinating history and his interventions. Passionate session indeed.
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
Do you think the suicide starts with 8 y.o think about the future?
jaswant guzder
maria :shengold would say it starts with attachment trauma in the preverbal body not only later
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
Tês …we have a polissemic interpretation....
Janis Jenkins
Good question, Lourdes. The felt experience among those we’re working with appears to be pain and the difficulty or perceived impossible of a temporal horizon that incorporates ‘a future’ - it’s “missing”, like many in the lived environment
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
jaswant guzder
cumulative trauma is still an important part of what we are reflecting on , social determinants not just intrapsychic , spiritual and emotional ingredients besides neuropsychological
Debbie Ann Chambers
Chidi may be interested in Prof's concept of cultural dna and rex nettleford's concept of smaddification. Both, culturally relevant ways of looking at resilience strivings in the midst of negation.
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
Byron and Mary-Jo I selected some drawing from the Indigenous youth abou COVID.
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
The COVID is came Back to Reserve....
Byron Good
COVID continues to live w us… and returns to sites of dispossession…
Mary Jo DelVecchio Good
Apologies I have to step out. Bravo! Exciting conversation.
Maria de lourdes beldi de alcantara
In the first time …the indigenous youth mainly women…starts to see very beautiful
Geoffrey Walcott
Geoffrey has had to leave to take care of a patient. He said he has had to aplogize for leaving
jaswant guzder
neutrality is a delusion