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Holding Spaces for Racial Webinar- Equity through Belongingness: The Promise of a Developmental Approach to Adult Learning - Shared screen with speaker view
Velecia Saunders
38:33
Is there anyway to put the slide deck into present mode. It would be better to see. Thank you
Lisa Vahey
49:16
The trauma and grief (and exhaustion) that folks are carrying with them, and how to allow those big emotions to sit with us, even as we have “work” to do (mostly as educators).
Lauren Calig (she, her)
49:17
Lack of time
Velecia Saunders
49:43
Self awareness and shifting mindsets
Mandi Bozarth
50:20
Supporting a space for adults to learn and talk about race and equity without harming each other or putting participants of color in vulnerable positions
Vicki Elder
50:33
A sense that adults cannot learn from their students. A holder of all knowledge. Seeing students as people who should just sit and obey with no effort to build meaningful relationships outside of their personal experience.
Candace Maiden (she, her)
50:39
Stuck in their ways, ignorant to other cultures outside of their own, defense mechanism, ethnocentrism
Circe Stumbo
51:15
More than 90% of the teachers we work with are white and most of them are on their own journey understanding race and developing an ability/feeling permission to notice and talk about race. How to create space for their engagement and learning, such that all have opportunities to grow from where ever they start.
Kristin (she) SEL Chicago
51:52
Bringing folx along with belongingness and anti-racism, building personal capacity to lean into this discomfort, and creating space to make mistakes and repair harm when it happens. Also, many push away from the conversation about racial inequities as "political" - and current challenges from federal level push back for antiracism conversations.
Velecia Saunders
55:29
Can the slide deck be shared in the chat for us visual learners
Mary Antón
56:32
Instrumental
Dr. Michelle Pledger (she/her)
57:56
+1 to @Velecia’s request
Karla Bisco
58:12
Me too
Mary Antón
58:14
Working on getting the slides out
Dr. Michelle Pledger (she/her)
58:36
Thank you Mary!
Candice Bocala
59:32
You can follow along with the slides at this link: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1asWQOqJ5fGmhhmCbuTdeMFIyhZZLT7H8jzKXylgr6LA/edit#slide=id.g35ed75ccf_022
Velecia Saunders
59:45
Thank you
Mary Antón
01:00:35
Please feel free to reflect, comment and question in the chat
Mary Antón
01:01:24
So the four ways - are:
Mary Antón
01:01:45
Instrumental, Socializing, Self-Authoring, Self-Tranforming
kailee zhu
01:02:50
quick question: if socializing/other focused self think about themselves first or others first?
kailee zhu
01:03:19
why the quote for socializing is "when you think of me, I think of me?"
kailee zhu
01:03:45
this quote sounds like very focused on self, not focusing on other people...
Mary Antón
01:03:45
They tend (and there is no absolute) to be influenced and to be other-focused. What you think, I think.
kailee zhu
01:03:55
aha I see. Thank you!
Velecia Saunders
01:04:20
This appears to be aligned with the continuum for cultural proficiency, am I correct?
Mary Antón
01:04:43
Self-authoring - difficult taking in perspectives that directly contradict their own…
Mary Antón
01:05:16
There are many different lenses to look at development, and yes, there are relationships.
Mary Antón
01:05:37
This is often about how people tend to make sense of and integrate new learning.
Mary Antón
01:06:09
What
Mary Antón
01:06:24
What’s at risk for someone at each stage about taking a stand?
Candice Bocala
01:06:29
Velecia: can you say more about what you mean by the “continuum of cultural proficiency”?
Mary Antón
01:06:38
How do we build those safe and brave spaces?
Mary Antón
01:06:49
How do we build those kinds of holding environment?
Mary Antón
01:07:33
Trust, safety, may mean different things to people at different ways of knowing. The goal is to make space. To be seen. Ok not to have certain capacities.
Mary Antón
01:08:31
Leadership is a position that requires we be able to be self authoring.
Kristin (she) SEL Chicago
01:09:25
that last point - so important!!!!!
Mary Antón
01:09:35
Yes!
Lynda Torres
01:10:52
Building Self-authoring capacities takes courage. It requires us to examine ourselves bravely even when it hurts so badly.
Molly Toussant
01:13:08
And can you also again say the name of the person whose work this comes from?
Velecia Saunders
01:13:43
There are 6 levels on the continuum and one can be at any level at any given time. These levels include cultural destructiveness, incapacity, blindness, pre-competence, competence and proficiency. It outlines individual behaviors and actions that appear to me to be aligned with an individuals journey from instrumental to self transforming ways of knowing.
Mary Antón
01:14:19
Boo Kegan
Molly Toussant
01:14:22
Thank you!
kailee zhu
01:16:00
do you think people are either self authoring, or socializing, or can they have all 4 ways of knowing just in different degrees (like 60% instrumental, 10% socializing, etc) because people use different strategies dealing with different situations?
Lauren Calig (she, her)
01:16:51
@kailee-wondering that too
Candice Bocala
01:16:53
It seems that both the ways of knowing and the cultural proficiency framework are developmental progressions. But as Mary says, you can be at different levels on both.
Velecia Saunders
01:17:02
Thank you
Circe Stumbo
01:17:04
I am always working on remembering that providing direction, protection, and order (Heifetz's formulation) is what many people want from authority and how to create the holding environment that allow/push/pull educators to do more of the work. The ways of knowing help me to think about the idea of managing the different orientations among educators in order to support that holding environment and disappoint people just enough that they engage in the adaptive change rather than giving up, exploding the space, etc.
Circe Stumbo
01:19:29
It helps me also to think about how we ask people to demonstrate that they are engaging in equity work. Wouldn't meaningful engagement will look different from person to person depending upon people's ways of knowing?
Kristin (she) SEL Chicago
01:20:02
7 habits skills are developing and developable skills - and I'm still building capacity in some of those skills.
Kristin (she) SEL Chicago
01:20:17
:)
kailee zhu
01:20:39
I think Kegan's theory is a stage theory, you go from instrumental, to socializing, to self-authoring, to self-transforming. One is higher than the other in developmental stages. So according this theory, you cannot have all ways of knowing at the same time
Carol Rodgers
01:20:58
How important is it to know one’s own order of consciousness in order to work effectively with others? If so, how does one know with confidence where one “is?” Ego must get in the way, no?
Candice Bocala
01:25:55
Subject-object interview: https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Subject-Object-Interview-Administration-Interpretation/dp/1461128803
kailee zhu
01:27:31
could there be a more advanced stage than self-transforming? Or is self-transforming the ultimate goal?
Kristin (she) SEL Chicago
01:38:42
I'm deeply appreciative of this conversation!!!!
kailee zhu
01:46:30
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Lee Teitel
01:47:13
Nice connection to RIDES Personal and Team Equity Culture , Mary
Candice Bocala
01:49:57
We will have some time for questions. Please put any additional questions into the chat!
Circe Stumbo
01:50:36
Do you find that it is helpful to share this framework with educators you are supporting or do you use this in the background to inform your own leadership and coaching moves? With the DISC Assessment, for example, I have been in a situation where the very idea of using the assessment is for everyone to share where they are (D, I, S, or C). When something is presented as a growth continuum, however, do you find that people feel exposed for judgement if you are helping people to understand and use the continuum? That is, DISC is NOT a continuum, so no position is "better" than another. Just wondering how IN USE this framework can be helpful in working with intact teams of adults.
kailee zhu
01:54:25
thank you so much! would you please type the names of the other researchers? I would love to check it out
Circe Stumbo
01:58:07
I am thinking of a particular person who is very instrumental and how he is regularly pigeonholed by team members and how having this shared with the team might not help him....
Ellie Drago-Severson, delighted to be here
01:59:19
To Kailee, thank you. Jessica Blum-DeStefano, Ellie Drago-Severson, Otto Sharma, Ken Wilber, Marcia Baxter-Magolda, Suzanne Cook-Grueter
Dr. Michelle Pledger (she/her)
01:59:22
Thank you! Have to hop off.
kailee zhu
02:00:19
Thank you so much Ellie!
Lynda Torres
02:00:24
Thank you all so much. Your work is incredibly inspirational.I have another meeting.
Candice Bocala
02:00:40
Thanks for joining us today! Before you head out, please provide your feedback on today’s webinar: https://harvard.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_bsgE33SBLuPCoNT
Carol Rodgers
02:03:15
I hope this isn’t a stupid question: Have you found in your research that those on the edges of society (women, people of color, LBGTQI, etc), who see the majority in ways the majority don’t seem themselves, have an increased capacity for perspective-taking?
Candace Maiden (she, her)
02:03:21
Thank you all so much!!!
Circe Stumbo
02:03:32
Thank you!!
DeborahDonahue-Keegan (she/her)
02:03:43
So excellent!! Many thanks! (Hello Ellie <3)
Kristin (she) SEL Chicago
02:03:55
I'm SO deeply thankful and am looking forward to the recording!!!
Ellie Drago-Severson, delighted to be here
02:03:56
Hello Deborah!!!
Monica Donnelly
02:04:02
thank you so much for offering these webinars and for keeping them broadly accessible! happy Friday all:)
Carol Rodgers
02:04:08
This was great. Thank you to all.
Karla Bisco
02:04:15
Thank you!
Mary Antón
02:04:17
Thank you everyone!