This is wonderful and so engaging. Truly appreciate this space.

Thank you so much for this engaging presentation, Professor Alberto! I’m sorry I have to go to another meeting and cannot stay for the Q&A.Much of the process you describe is familiar to the cultural history of the U.S. and elsewhere in the Americas: African diaspora innovations and expressive forms become the property of white people as they become profitable, respectable, or symbolically valorized by the nation. Would you say more about the distinctively Argentine aspects of this common process? How would you compare and contrast Raul Grigera’s experience with that of his contemporary Bert Williams, the celebrated vaudeville performer in the U.S., who W.C. Fields called the funniest and saddest man he had ever met?

Fascinating. Brava!

This was absolutely wonderful! Thank you so very much for your research, and the passion that galvanizes it!

Thank you, Professor Alberto, for that wonderful talk!

Paulina, estão chorando de emoção com suas poderosas descobertas.

Truly fascinating!

*estou chorando

Muchas gracias Paulina….

Gracias Paulina!!! fascinating!

Thank you for the fascinating and very informative presentation.

His story is so commonplace it still happens today.

So fascinating! Thank you Paulina!

On Dom Obá:

https://read.dukeupress.edu/hahr/article/76/3/597/144966/Prince-of-the-People-The-Life-and-Times-of-a

This the same story that happened and continues to happen here in the U S. to Black folks We are rejected, however our culture / arts are coopted and claimed as their own, as well as monetized.

And then discarded after intellectual property is stolen, co-opted and nationalized.

Exactly!!

Living in Angola, I saw many uses and meanings to the Kikongo root word "ndombe." Did you come across different resignifications of the word, in researching the culture and communities of ca'ndombe in Argentina?

Classic cultural appropriation!

Professor Alberto thank you so much. I have to leave because of my baby. I hope the recording will be available later. thank you for the important work.

There’s a historian, Cirio, who writes and teaches at la Universidad de La Plata

It is an honest admission. You are not his "savior", you can't give him back his "voice". It is better to admit it.

All of Latin America is such a cautionary tale, in fundamental respects.

What I see occurring is an effort by white presenting Latin Americans to remediate that history and reality.

I say this looking from the perspective of Haitian history and reality.

“White presenting” lol you mean white

Language matters

Indeed. I do.

In fact the perpetual genocide is repordce in the very fact of calling out territories as “ latin” america.

But because the issue is has a different face and another complex in Haiti I will sometimes revert to white prsenting.

as if we would be all of roman and greek origin.

It is to acknowledge the reality of the consistent genocide. IT IS; it persits despite these efforts. It is STILL nothing else discursively.

we are children of various nations and comunities that are not european

We cannot "make" it something else superficially or in utopian tems.

Discursively even.

Latin America is in the baby steps stage of its reckoning.

I think people white people in Latin America need to grapple with whiteness, the same as Black people have had to historically deal with the history of racism that we have inherited. Whiteness in Latin America is no different than whiteness in Europe nor in North America, and yes it has to grappled by those that benefit by those systems.

No Latin America is not. If you’re not familiar with Black movements in the region just say that. We are at 500 years of this.

These are not my questions. My questions are other.

Right. White folks should study whiteness and their relationship to power. Black folks can tell our own stories.

Thank you, Paulina, for your subtle and fearless work.

Excellent and informative presentation...Thank you.

I know the history of the movements. I have lived with them, in study from my household and overtly in household since in reality childhood. I have limitations. That is not my limitation.

Happy to continue discussion elsewhere if you wish.

Not interested.

Your call, of course.

I’d love a second session!